You may like...

Saturn Neptune square: everything will one day crumble

Saturn Neptune square Image from the Unlimited Time album cover by King of Bass.

When I think about the Saturn Neptune square, the second contact of which will be exact on 17 June, I’m reminded of a quote from the poet W.B. Yeats: “Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.” We all put our faith in impermanent things: jobs, marriages, people, living situations. Everyday we rely on the structures of life, the realm of Saturn, to be there for us, and yet one day everything will dissolve and crumble.

The Saturn Neptune square reminds us of the simple truth that everything is impermanent. Out of the blue a marriage can end, a person we are dependent on may die, conflict may arise and an otherwise suitable situation becomes suddenly untenable. This is the nature of the manifest reality of Saturn: everything eventually passes away. Nothing remains unchanged.

This uncomfortable fact is at the heart of Buddhist teaching and if the truth of it has not been integrated into your understanding of the world you may find the Saturn Neptune square has you feeling as though the rug has suddenly been swept out from under your feet. A previously stable situation is now crumbling unexpectedly and you’re left floundering, frantically trying to find some firm ground to stand upon.

I’m experiencing just such a situation now: I’ve suddenly lost my home three weeks before my baby is due to be born. In the midst of it, all I could feel was panic. Yet even then I knew at a deeper level that my security comes from something greater than this: from the deep bonds I have with my family and friends, my own inner strength and courage, and from my faith in the benevolence of this universe of which I am an integral part. This is what the Saturn Neptune square can teach us.

When we come to understand the truth of Neptune, beyond the illusions and phantoms: we begin to see that we are all part of an immense and wondrous spirit and each one of us can access a true sense of groundedness through our connection to this whole. Together we are on a journey of discovery and even when we feel that things are going completely wrong, at a deeper level everything is actually entirely as it should be.

So if you’re having a hard time with this second pass of the Saturn Neptune square, perhaps it’s time to ask yourself whether your faith in the impermanent would be better placed in the infinite and enduring.

Exact dates for the Saturn Neptune square

Due to retrograde motion, the Saturn Neptune square will be exact three times:

  • 26 November 2015 at 7 degrees (active from 24 October to 26 December)
  • 17 June 2016 at 12 degrees (both Saturn and Neptune will be retrograde)
  • 10 September 2016 at 10 degrees (Neptune will be retrograde)

You can read more about the first exact contact of the Saturn Neptune square in my previous article Saturn square Neptune: sweet illusion meets cold hard reality.

Meanwhile in another part of the cosmos…

A number of transits are occurring during this second contact of the Saturn Neptune square that work together to help us process this challenging energy.

Jupiter is still within square of Saturn and opposing Neptune, forming a t-square that amplifies the effect of the Saturn Neptune square. Read more about these transits in my articles Jupiter opposition Neptune: what is truth? and Saturn square Jupiter: opposites collide.

The Sun and Venus have been conjunct in Gemini for the past few days and will remain within orb of each other until the day the Saturn Neptune square is exact. This aspect will greatly support communication in relationships, particularly where things may not be as stable as they once were or where an intimate connection is dissolving.

On 9 June Mercury will form a sextile to Chiron, followed closely by a trine from Mars on the 12 and 13 June. This will give us a boost of energy to direct into our own healing process, as well as the understanding of what underlies our fearful search for security in relationship. With Mars retrograde in Scorpio this may involve facing up to some of the darker emotions that we find within the psyche such as jealousy, possessiveness and attachment.

Personally I’m looking forward to Jupiter and Pluto forming another exact trine on 26 June. This is a powerful and fortunate transit and if you’re lucky enough to have it hit your natal chart directly you can expect things to be flowing very nicely for you by the end of the month. You can read more about this lovely aspect in my article Jupiter trine Pluto: the magic of ambition and synchronicity.

How will the Saturn Neptune square affect you?

Those with planets or points between 9 and 14 degrees of the Mutable signs (Virgo, Sagittarius, Pisces) will be most strongly affected by the Saturn Neptune square. To understand which area of your life will be most affected by this transit check to see through which house Saturn and Neptune are currently traveling. If this doesn’t make sense and you’d like to learn how to apply current transits to your natal chart, check out my free astrology mini lessons.

Working positively with the Saturn Neptune square

Are you feeling the Saturn Neptune square strongly right now? What aspects of your life are coming under Saturn’s scrutiny? Are there structures that you had come to depend upon that are currently dissolving? Feel free to share your thoughts below.

12 Comments on Saturn Neptune square: everything will one day crumble

  1. Oh no, I’m so sorry to hear about your house situation! That’s so crappy! But sometimes yes – that’s exactly where we’re supposed to be. Even if it feels wrong and unfair.

    For me, transiting Jupiter is in the 7th house, Saturn the 10th and Neptune the 1st. My back aches more than it should (Virgo – health) and is connected to the psychological implications of constant conflicts at home. I have been forced to give up my illusions about myself and have contacted a therapist for trauma treatment from the experiences the past 4 years and more.

    Right now my relationship has gone through the boxing ring. We’ve been fighting all the time, or so it feels. And suddenly we were so close to the cliff’s border that we could just stare at it with a mix of resignation, hopelessness and clinging on to that rock with the tip of our nails.

    My new work place is nice – but I am stuck with no assignments (Mars retro).

    The theme for this square has it’s hands placed all over my life, and at some point something’s gotta give. Luckily my BF and I “faced the truth” and could finally start on a more honest and healing journey together, but we’re still shaking from the rumblings in the ground. My therapy is helping me, little by little (baby steps), but I’m “doing the work” as Saturn demands. Jupiter/Virgo demands that I go that extra mile to work selflessly for others – and healing is a huge theme here!

    So yes, this square is certainly felt. Also, I try to look at this as a process where structures must move into another position. What’s left is our new reality and a new path forward. Just like the plates beneath the earth’s surface that causes earth quakes when they move. Saturn reminds me (daily!) that to get to the top of that 10th house mountain I must DO. THE. WORK. I must step out of the shadow of past and trespass into the “Now”. So that’s what I’m working on…

    What are you working on? :-)

    • Thanks for sharing Anette. I always enjoy hearing how things are progressing for you and how you are processing the changes. The big work in progress for me is my imminent passage from maiden to mother, a transition I see as one of the major shifts in the course of a woman’s life. But then with Pluto conjunct the Sun, Moon and Venus in the 8th one would expect something pretty big huh ;)

      • Absolutely. I hope that your housing situation has somewhat improved – and I would agree to say that you have something big going on here with all those planets in the 8th house for sure! After all – the 8th house is all about transitions, transformations and new births! Maybe one of the names for your little one should really be “Phoenix”? ;-)

        I am currently struggling to “let go” of expectations about my work. I think I’m in the middle of a bigger life crisis (the one that we often experience around 30 years) where EVERY area of life gets an overhaul. I’m trying to incorporate the Saturn-Neptune philosophy into it, that this job is temporary at its best, and that pushing will only generate friction… Instead I should see it as my last part in this area of business until a new path opens up and lead me onto another road. Heck, I’m not even sure I even WANT to work in this profession anymore. (Although – after all, I *do* think I like it still, it’s just that the past year I’ve had some MAJOR dissapointments in regard to my profession in my new place.)

        • It sounds very challenging Anette, but I guess disappointment, though painful at the time, ultimately allows us to see ourselves and our lives with greater clarity.

  2. Hi Faith,

    I grew up with the Yeat’s Poem, which put me in an an apocalyptic place. It is very Western, in that it doesn’t mention that out of chaos springs new life – when the center doesn’t hold, it may be that a new center is being born, not necessarily a terrible beast “marching toward Bethlehem”

    In a personal way, I have felt the Saturn within myself – the primitive Saturn of unbending moral structures – i.e. internalized laws that are black and white and refuse interpretation of time, place and circumstance – crumbling under Neptune.

    I like this more recent Welsh Poet’s view of outcomes to crushing events. Do you know this poem?

    Sometimes – Sheenagh Pugh

    Sometimes things don’t go, after all,
    from bad to worse. Some years, muscadel
    faces down frost; green thrives; the crops don’t fail,
    sometimes a man aims high, and all goes well.

    A people sometimes will step back from war;
    elect an honest man, decide they care
    enough, that they can’t leave some stranger poor.
    Some men become what they were born for.

    Sometimes our best efforts do not go
    amiss, sometimes we do as we meant to.
    The sun will sometimes melt a field of sorrow
    that seemed hard frozen: may it happen for you.

    Miss the forum.. so much fun.


    • Love this poem Linda – it’s a great balancing reminder to my perhaps rather pessimistic post! I think it very much reflects the energy of Jupiter trine Pluto which is also strongly in play at this time. As you say a new centre quickly forms where one has dissolved and the trick of working positively with change is to let go of the one to allow the other to emerge. Certainly this has occurred for us over the last few days. I miss the forum too and although I do check in to read others’ contributions fairly regularly I’m looking forward to a point where I am not so preoccupied with nesting to chip in myself! xx

  3. Thank you for notes about Neptune. I have Leo rising, Uranus 1th H. Aquarius Sun 6th. Scorpio Moon conjunct Neptune in 4th H. Uranus has transit MC in Aries and I have been on a very dramatic spin for some years now. Uranus transit 10th, Neptune transit 8th, Saturn transit 5th, Pluto transit 6th. My boss is fighting me, my brother is fighting me with layers. Friends?? And I used to be a successful, very nice and shy person working my long days and nights. Now everything seems to crumble; my work! My old father seems to be dying. My marriage has to change I can’t live with him in our home. Heartbroken too. Mother passed away when Saturn transit 4th H Scorpio/Neptune. I seem to have enemies everywhere and men fighting and making drama. And I don’t seem to be able to control anything of this! I used to love my work! My boss made become bigger boss and he seems to be kind of wanting to kill the professional me? And the financial future of all this? Neptune/Saturn is very hard and I am a decent person I used to think.

  4. Going through intense life transition for sure – just as you described I’ve had the rug pulled out from under me. Uranus conjuncted my mercury in aries in january and my mom passed away very unexpectedly. Shocking. She was my best friend. Dad passed a few years ago and I’m the only child – unmarried and no kids. I’ve also had Uranus conjunct sun in aries and square moon in cancer this spring. In March I started having intense anxiety and panic and shaking, and a very bad back. I believe this is when Saturn went retrograde. Neptune is in 8th and saturn in the 5th (8th from the 10th of mother), and i think all this panic is from saturn neptune. I finally started to feel a bit better, but then sold my childhood home in early July and panic is back and bigger then ever. My back is so bad that i can only stand for a few minutes, and the fear is really affecting my breathing. I feel like I’m in jail lying on the couch at home, waiting to heal and for anxiety to lessen. I’m hoping things will improve when Saturn turns direct? I know that this is the biggest thing that has ever happened to me and my life is irrevocably changed and healing takes time, but the panic and fear is so unconscious – inner child not feeling safe. I talk to her all the time, but wow, this is intense physical stuff.

  5. I’m sorry for your losses. It seems since the 2012-2015 Uranus/Pluto Squares many of us, in particular, with strong connections to those planets & more recently Saturn/Neptune have been quite challenged. I literally have been stripped of everyone & everything except a roof over my head. Perhaps both of our situations get us down to the essence. A fine time to meditate. Awareness, emptiness, are the doors to Realization. Can u make use of thus time of inactivity to focus on the outbreath? I rarely asked questions during meditation teachings, but did once with Penoir Rinpoche. Forget the ?, but his answer was: if you are distracted in following your outbreath by a thought, emotion or phys pain, notice it,label it THINKING, and go back to the breath. If the pain is so great you can’t, focus on it like a cresting wave. When the wave subsides, go back to the outbreath. I feel we are all getting our own lives in order so that we may soon be better able to help the masses. (This from a Pluto in 1st house.) Meditation is the savior of my being. Awareness is the greatest msg to help humanity. In my experience, we can’t be mindful of something until we are Aware it exists. On one level all is Mind. On another all is Emptiness. Then on the level of relative Truth, we have pain and loss challenging us to wake up. I’ve had a life of struggle and strife with Saturn in the 12th, but now I have a dif perspective. It got me to being grateful of being alive in THIS Moment – the only one there is. One other comment: Energy follows attention. Focus on the positive. Have not mastered this myself.I tend to see all the possible neg outcomes of situations out of fear, but am noticing this quicker now when i catch myself thinking like this. Positive visualations of the changes you’d like to see in your life, with “if this is for the Highest, Greatest good” tacked on to the end of your dreams and goals… Blessings

  6. Omg, I just found this after perusing my astrology chart to explain my life, lol. I have this natal aspect(12th house virgo saturn with a 0’Jupiter and 3rd house neptune, Saturn and Neptune also aspecting 4th house moon, all my other planets are in libra, excluding a 10th house mars) but I digress… because really I’m shocked to find out that the most transformative thing in my life occurred in August 2016 and I had no idea the significance of this aspect nor it’s transit! My life very dramatically fell apart in August and “the rug pulled out” doesn’t do justice for the years that followed! However 1 year later I experienced a full blown spontaneous kundalini awakening(I had no clue what this was and thought I was dying actually) My life has obviously been transformed, save for the integration of this ‘awakening’ my life and perspective have changed in an incredibly positive way, despite the challenges I still deal with. I’m assuming though that this aspect needed a catalyst for its activation and the transit provided that, in initially disappointing ways, but ultimately for my highest good! And to follow through with some sort of plan already laid out in my astrology chart. I am continually amazed as a novice in astrology, how much information can be found in the layout of the stars…

Leave a comment

Your email address will not be published.